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    Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    It is pretty well known that the supercharged motors such as those featured on the Lightning and Cobra will cause oil vapor/mist to exit the PCV valve and enter the intake, subsequently gunking up the intercooler sandwiched between the blower and lower intake manifold on these vehicles. This gunks up the fins, lowering the efficiency of the cooler and has the potential to increase Charge Air Temperatures, not to mention the oil entering the combustion chambers and lowering the effective octane rating of the fuel.

    There are plenty of solutions around, and much discussion has been had across various Forms on the Topic. I figured I'd get one going here so we can exchange information and experiences with what has worked, and what doesn't.

    On my old 98GT, I ran open breathers on both valve covers. Effective, but far from smog legal, and it does tend to smell foul now and then. Not to mention that this will affect the tune of the car.



    Currently on my Cobra I am running the Steeda Oil Separator:


    These seem to be pretty common, as most Do It Yourselfers buy an air compressor separator from the local Hardware Store which is pretty much the same as the Steeda unit, and plumb it in after the PCV valve.

    Mine collects oil, and I dump it out when need be. However, I don't think this is the most effective solution.


    I have been running around the Web this week looking at different ideas, and am trying something new. I decided to order up an Oil Catch Can from GReddy:




    In cruising around the Web, I found an example of the old style GReddy can installed on an RSX. Apples to oranges, but still:



    Notice the dirty line coming from the PCV valve, and a clean line returning out of the Catch Can:



    The clear line coming out of the Catch Can, along with the Fluid Level line on the side of the Can are good visual indicators as to whether it is working or not.

    The unit itself is not internally baffled, but seems to work on the 'Pressure Drop' method of thinking. The oil mist comes out of the PCV, cools in the expanded chamber and drops out of the air mixture. Info I received from GReddy:

    "The round Oil Catch Can we offer is not internally baffled. However if you install it as shown, inbetween the Air intake pipe (before the throttlebody) to the valve cover breather, it's depth should not allow any significant amount of oil transfer. Especially since the Air intake pipe will not be pressurized until after the supercharger."


    This will be Step 1.




    Step 2 will be the addition of this Sean Hyland piece on the Passenger Valve Cover:


    This is an essential component that can reduce or eliminate oil consumption through the intake system. If you've removed your throttle body and noticed oil buildup then you need an oil breather separator to absorb the oil and prevent it's passage into the intake system.

    SHM Recommends the use on an oil breather separator for all supercharged and high performance naturally aspirated applications. It is especially beneficial for vehicles used for open track events, where vehicles run wide open for extended periods of time.

    CNC Machined Billet Aluminum Oil Breather Separator Utilizing a 1/2" Poly fitting. Connects to the factory valve cover breather hose that feeds into the air inlet tube/throttle body assembly.

    A Five component assembly with a lower and upper housing, two screens and an oil vapor/mist filter media. The housing threads together utilizing a rubber seal. This facilitates inspection of the filter media. The filter media is sandwiched be two aluminum screens, which allow the oil vapor/mist to be absorbed and collected by the filter, and then passed back through the lower screen.








    Again, the GReddy Oil Catch Can will be an effective telling on whether or not the addition of the SHM piece helps the situation. That is of course, if the GReddy Can alone doesn't result in a "clean" line coming out of the can.








    My Step 3, if need be, is this internally baffled unit from Accurate Machine Works:

    Haney Motorsport sells it here: Engine Oil Vapor Separator Catch Can at HMS




    The internal baffling on this one looks like it would do the job quite nicely. We shall see.

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    I don't have any type of oil catch on my Whippled '03. I have been watching posts about it though.. trying to figure out what the best/cleanest set up is out there. Good thread idea, Ron. The Haney Motorsport piece looks to be a really nice quality. I would be interested in seeing one installed on a car, how easy it is to maintain, and if it's affective.
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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    My GReddy can arrived today. I am going to install it between the PCV valve and the Steeda Separator for now. The Steeda piece will be another indicator on how well the GReddy can alone is performing, aside from the Visual inspection of the tubes.

    Ideally I would like to remove the blower and clean the 49k of gunk from the intercooler, but I can't justify it without swapping out for a Ported or Whipple setup.

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    Nice write-up Ron! I am interested in knowing what the requirements are. Considering the extra elements necessary to trap all the oil, is there any adverse affect in function of the return lines or vacuum requirements?

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    I run an air compressor water filter on my car, seems to do the job as my intake was damn near spotless when I pulled it when I took the motor out.

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    Hey Ronnie... have you seen this one?

    http://jlttruecoldair.com/zencart/index ... ucts_id=23
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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Powershift03
    Hey Ronnie... have you seen this one?

    http://jlttruecoldair.com/zencart/index ... ucts_id=23
    Seen it, but not the biggest fan of JLT to begin with.

    It is also open to debate as to whether or not this design lets 'contaminated' oil vapors back into the crankcase.





    Update on my Project: So far no good. I can't find a good place so far for the GReddy can. Real Estate is at a serious premium under the hood of these cars. A fenderwell mount is a possibility, but I'm trying to keep it in the engine bay. If only that battery wasn't there...

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    Update: The GReddy can has been sitting in my garage for some time, but I never was able to find a decent spot to install it along with the Steeda. Unfortunately, the GReddy can does not have any type of filtering media inside of it, they rely on gravity to pull the oil droplets out of the air. Not sure how effective that will be.

    I have found an even better solution, and have a new can waiting to go in right now. I have all the AN fittings to plumb it up to the stock PCV lines, hopefully I will be able to get it done when I'm back this weekend.

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    Have any of you seen this one?
    http://www.lnsauto.com/articles/ford_tr ... icle.shtml
    (read the article at the top for better pics/info)

    It basically catches the oil and drains it back through the oil fill on the valve cover, the lightning/harley boys swear by it and I've seen a few pics of the intercoolers when removed later for inspection/cleaning -



    show they work pretty damn good.

    It's about $190 or so, there's a group buy going right now on lightningrodder.com for $160 I think.

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    I just bought a used L&S for $130 shipped off a lightning forum. I like how it's zero maint. compared to the catch can that I have to empty out pretty often on my `89. It gradually slows down on collecting oil if I let it go for too long between empty's so that shows me the efficiency drops once it fills up, maybe after I get this L&S I can try to duplicate it for the other car...

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by blind
    I just bought a used L&S for $130 shipped off a lightning forum. I like how it's zero maint. compared to the catch can that I have to empty out pretty often on my `89. It gradually slows down on collecting oil if I let it go for too long between empty's so that shows me the efficiency drops once it fills up, maybe after I get this L&S I can try to duplicate it for the other car...
    They so seem easy, but the oil mist that is in the blowby has been said to be 'contaminated' with byproducts of combustion. Probably not a big deal, but I'd rather keep the 'dirty' oil from getting dumped back into the crankcase.

    Working on the plumbing for my newest setup. It should have plenty of capacity and looks like it will not need to be drained as often as the others. I'm installing it inline with the Air Compressor style Separator in order to visually verify that it is working. Placement is a little difficult under the cramped hood of the SN95, but I have something worked out. Hopefully will have Pics and Part #s this weekend.

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    Re: Oil Catch Can / Separator / Breather / Etc. Discussion

    it seems to deal with that by plugging one of the vacuum lines from the lower intake to the pcv, so instead the only one adding vacuum to the pcv valve is the one from the plenum. Under boost nothing hits the pcv valve so the oil should be fairly clean.

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    I'm pulling this one from the archives... what was the result guys?

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    L&S no maintenance separator on my truck has been working great, no more oil in the PCV lines at all, just have to be careful when changing the oil not to let it spil out of the return filter that replaced the oil cap.

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    +1 for another update. Rondogg, you ever get this installed and tested?

    I had the air compressor filter model on my '03 Termi. Very strange... it would always catch a small amount of oil in the cannister, but it would never get full. I would empty and clean the container, and it would almost always fill right up to the same level and stay there. So, it does catch something. Odd, that it never would fill it.

    I removed the intake on my original motor during the rebuild and could see there was blowby oil on the driver side, but not the passenger side intake. So it works.

    I recently rebuilt the motor, and have been running more Open Track events where I think most of my blowby conditions occur - extended high rpm running. The catch can was not replaced with the rebuild, as it was basically a cosmetic issue (where to mount the can).

    Tell me what you have and what are the results, so I can get the best one back on the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brakelate View Post
    +1 for another update. Rondogg, you ever get this installed and tested?

    I had the air compressor filter model on my '03 Termi. Very strange... it would always catch a small amount of oil in the cannister, but it would never get full. I would empty and clean the container, and it would almost always fill right up to the same level and stay there. So, it does catch something. Odd, that it never would fill it.

    I removed the intake on my original motor during the rebuild and could see there was blowby oil on the driver side, but not the passenger side intake. So it works.

    I recently rebuilt the motor, and have been running more Open Track events where I think most of my blowby conditions occur - extended high rpm running. The catch can was not replaced with the rebuild, as it was basically a cosmetic issue (where to mount the can).

    Tell me what you have and what are the results, so I can get the best one back on the car.
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